Zona vs. Stanford: The short handed grades
It’s fair to say our young wildcats are finally starting to find their groove. Not only are our upper classmen beginning to learn how to be leaders, but our under classmen are really starting to develop into some scary good talents. We only went 7 players deep today, and with some magical subbing from Miller, he managed to keep anyone from fouling out.
As a team there was plenty of fight and desire to go around, but at the same time there were some obvious negatives we will need to fix if we are going to make a legitimate run for the tournament. I will say right now though, if this team manages to go on a run and get into the tournament, nobody is going to want to play us. Our biggest weakness to start the year was the lack of size in the middle. With Chol’s development we are now able to compete far better with those teams who have big men inside.
As for team stats here are a few thoughts:
- 38.3% FG shooting for the game. That is not good enough. I understand Stanford has a very good defense, especially at home, but we need to be aiming around 45% to be at our most dangerous.
- 31.3% Three point shooting. I can live with that number, but I think with our shooters we should be consistently around 40%.
- 60% FT shooting. 15-25 They only had 12 FT attempts for the game. When you get that many more chances from the line and fail to take advantage of that, it usually spells disaster. There is no excuse for this. I expect Miller to really hit on this all week.
- As always I am impressed we are able to out rebound a much bigger team 35-34.
- Only 8 assists for the game isn’t nearly what we need as a team.
- 7 Blocks today. CHOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
- 11 turnovers. I always aim for under 10, but they weren’t glaring turnovers that immediately turned into points, so I can live with the 11 today.
Come join me after the jump for some well earned grades
Kyle Fogg: GRADE C Kyle made some big shots when needed, but he needs to do better than 3-9 shooting. Thank goodness for his 5-6 from the line though. I really wanted to give him a B however with 4 turnovers, I had to knock him down a grade.
Jesse Perry: GRADE B- Jesse does a great job of anchoring our back line, but for a big man to shoot 4-10 from the floor is not good enough. Can anyone tell me where his outside shot disappeared to? To start the year he was a threat to make any open jump shot, but now you might as well leave him open. I believe this lack of respect for the outside shot is really hurting his ability to drive to the hoop and get open lay ups.
Solomon Hill: GRADE B+ Man this guy is becoming a true leader. He only took 7 shots today, but it seemed like whenever we had to have a play made, we would go to Solomon. His 9 boards to lead the team was also a huge stat for us. My question to everyone, is he an NBA player?
Nick Johnson: GRADE B+ Nick is finally coming out of his slump, THANK GOODNESS. He shot 4-9 from the floor, which could use some improvement, but its nice to see him shooting with some confidence again. Plus seeing him rise in the air and throw down some dunks is always fun. I also have that great memory of a sweet block where his head almost hit the rim, man what a fun kid to watch play.
Josiah Turner: GRADE B I would have given Josiah a little bit higher grade, except for the fact he only had 3 assists. This really surprised me as it seemed like he constantly is setting players up. His spin move in the lane though was a true sign of his potential in the future. I really love how Josiah is really starting to buy into the team, and really show his desire to be a wildcat. I’m proud to have him here.
Brendon Lavender: GRADE C- Brendon got a decent amount of time out there today, but he didn’t really stand out one way or another. I do remember him passing up an open 3 point shot. Brendon you are an AMAZING three point shooter, SHOOT THE BALL.
Angelo Chol: GRADE A Before you question why the best grade goes to the player with the least amount of stats, remember I’m grading based on what I expect from the player. Chol the last few games has really come along, and even with the lack of stats he was a key part of our win today. Without him we absolutely lose this game. Watching him play is starting to get really exciting. His 4 blocks today were just amazing to watch. Can’t wait to see him the rest of this year and after his work over the summer, I can’t wait to see what type of player he is next year. Great job Chol.
Even short handed it was great to watch our Cats go out and win these two road games. As always if you have any thoughts about the grades please let me know. Thank you all for the support, and I can’t wait for the next game.
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Josiah Turner - Request to revisit B grade
I had the pleasure of watching the game live at Maples yesterday. I am in general agreement with how you graded out the players save for Josiah Turner. I have to admit that I’ve struggled with appreciating Josiah this year. I’ve lumped him in the Mustafa Shakur (fairly or unfairly) bucket as he has struggled to breakout offensively. However what I realized watching him play live twice this week in the Bay Area is just how critical he is to the success of the team. His importance isn’t illuminated in the individual columns of the stat sheet. And the manner in which he plays is highly dictated by Sean Miller’s game plan. Josiah could have easily had two to three more assists yesterday if Chol, Perry, etc…were stronger finishers (I don’t hold that against them, it just is what it is). Josiah could have easily had four to six more points if he didn’t pass to open players in transition. He rarely takes a bad shot (he took one in the first half which was more based on indecisiveness than selfishness) and he is probably the second best defender on the team (he can get lost a little in help defense, but his on the ball defense is second to none). In fact his defensive on the ball pressure in the last five minutes of the game was probably the biggest single reason for the Cats pulling away. He refused (along with Kyle Fogg) to let Stanford’s guards initiate their offense.
He’ll still make his share of freshman mistakes. And he’ll never be the offensive weapon at the position that we’ve been spoiled with in the past (Kerr, Othick, Bibby, Stoudamire, Arenas, Gardner, etc…). But he is special. Just a different kind of special that has taken me a little bit more time to learn to appreciate.
P.S. Sean Miller receives a lot of praise for his recruiting talents. The man can also flat out coach.
Totally agree
I’ve been pretty critical of Josiah just from the fact that he was screwing off, but that’s because I can tell he’s an NBA-level point guard in skill. That’s not going to translate to assists on a team lacking a big man and also in Sean Miller’s motion system. I think that’s why the numbers aren’t even close to what Mustafa was doing his freshman year. That said, he’s really shown why he was so highly-touted coming out of high school.
Kevin Zimmerman
@offensivelyfoul
That is some great insight
And I’m jealous that you got to see them live twice this week :)…. So what type of grade did you feel he deserved?
A -
I would give him an A- with the minus coming from a couple of bad decisions (forcing drives) in the first half and a couple of tipped passes in the second half that could have been bone-crushing if they resulted in steals. Part of the issue for him in the half court is that there is very little space to work given the opposing defenses belief that the rest of the team can’t beat them off the dribble. Thus he is forced to have to make more tight passes than he should. I think you’ll see him exponentially more productive next year with another year of maturity under his belt and the talent/size of the incoming recruiting class. Mustafa had Channing Frye, Hassan Adams and Salim Stoudamire to pass to. Pretty good combination of shooters and finishers!
You do bring up some good points
However, at the end of the day you are judged on if your team won, how well you played, and the stats that your team put up. He is a pass first PG who who only had 2 assists, and 3 Turnovers. That is one thing that I want to see him approve with is his assist to turnover ratio. He is a freshman so i expect him to turn it over some more, but only 2 assists isn’t enough for someone as talented as himself. And yes I know he should have had a few more if his finishers could finish stronger, but i still think at least 5 assists a game from a starting PG should be doable even with your players missing a few open shots.
The Professor
You are the professor handing out the grades. I’ll live with the your final judgment. Josiah did have seven rebounds and three steals which I would say probably exceed your calculas around relative performance. But you want less mistakes and more points & assists. I hear you on the first two, but assists are hard to come by in a non transition oriented office with challenged finishers. Good news on the B however, he has room to improve!
Why thank you, and I love to debate this stuff so please keep questioning me, its more enjooyable that way
Also remember I tend to be harder on those who i expect great things from. If that same game came from a player like lavender for example i would have probably given him an A. I expect josiah to be a 10 pt 7 assist minumum type of college player. I only think that way though becuase Josiah has impressed me so much at times. And like you said if I gave him an A this game, what grade do I give him after the next game when he WILL put up better numbers :)

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